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Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 16:40:00 - [1] Maybe I'm just being thick or something. But if the egress stargate drops you at the ingress stargate in the destination solar system, how are you any better off? In fact, those people blockading chokepoints would now get traffic from both directions I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 18:52:00 - [2] Quote: Edited by: Luna on 29/09/2003 18:10:46 Edited by: Luna on 29/09/2003 18:07:48 Why don't people and especially pirates do more attacking in asteroid belts? When was the last time you detoured into an asteroid belt while carrying a couple million worth of cargo? Get real. The only thing in roid belts are miners. Who wants raw ore? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 19:57:00 - [3] Quote: Might be different when mobile refineries come into play, Jash. The jump-in point DOES have an invulnerability timer but, and this is where the real danger comes, it is insufficiently long. One: Anyone that setups a mobile refinery in the middle of a roid belt deserves the results of their stupidity. Two: It's still more cost effective to hit the transports at the egress/ingress points as those will have the least defenses I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 20:22:00 - [4] Quote: Jash, What is the point of a mobile refinery then? Thought you were faster than that, Josh. They're to fatten the lambs...er, industrials for the slaughter. Let's pretend I'm a pirate again. I know EV has a mobile refinery setup in Curse. I've got 2 options: A) Hit the mobile refinery, fight through the defenses and inherit your liability (lack of mobility and a known location) B) Hit that fat industrial where I control the location of the fight that is now carry the minerals from untold numbers of bistot/crokite refines instead of the 2, maybe 3, refines of raw bistot. Gee...what moron would pick Option A? I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 20:31:00 - [5] Quote: How did you know we were mining in CA's home territory!? I see what you mean though. CCP is either planning something they think is slick but in reality is rather dumb (I've got my suspicions but really don't feel like kicking off the whining early without confirmation) or someone filled with stuffing and covered with fur is doing the thinking over there. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 22:36:00 - [6] Quote: Edited by: Redan Chulipa on 29/09/2003 22:06:34 Excessive gatecamping by anyone should draw a huge NPC pirate spawn from out of nowhere. Xelios, someone has to be the first to die so that point is moot. Aaaaannnnd the reason for wanting this type of feature is... Survey saaaaays? That's right! "I don't belong in 0.0 space!" is the #1 answer! Thank you for playing Furbear Feud! I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.29 23:58:00 - [7] Quote: Jash, If I were a pirate I would love to crash someone's npc pirate spawn pirate in an asteroid belt... I may not get the best loot from it but it could be fun... Then you'd be a broke pirate faster than most other pirates. Piracy already isn't very profitable. It's usually more a diversion, both for the pirate as a means of enjoyment. And as a diversion from the rest of the pirate's activities. Going after people in belts who have cargo you can't even carry away (Battleship hold != Industrial's hold) and possibly taking losses from the belt pirates and the defenders? And that's if they choose to stay as anyone that mines can recognize the momentarily lag of a new spawn and warp before you can do anything (warp in invulnerability period). Quote: Although I have not been a pirate so far in the game... I am guessing(based on your post) that the only thing worthwhile on attacking is the industrials.. the first couple weeks I did a little convoy raids and those were very pro***ble til they nerfed them... If you're truly into piracy for the money, industrials haul the universe's profit. You do not do trade routes in even a battleship. It would not be cost effective. Also given people's reluctance to hire escorts, an industrial is the softest target possible. Quote: Also If I had a mobile refinery setup orbiting a planet or a 'safezone' I would run an indy to and from the asteroid belt depositing the bistot ... then I would have a probe or shuttle hauling refined megacyte X number of jumps to my station... why use an indy at all to go thru potentially hostile zones when a speedy ship could haul a fair ammount of refined megacyte safely? My Mammoth travels far faster than any shuttle and has more armor than any frigate. Now when mobile refineries are introduced, I fully expect people to ship the minerals in their battleships, though quite honestly I wouldn't. I'd rather make more trips with smaller amounts in a cheaper industrial than lose a couple hundred million isk worth of megacyte AND** a battleship to boot. Because people will lose them. And if pirates are taking the time to trap an industrial, they're gonna blast the battleship out of hand. That battleship is capable of making the gate under fire unless popped immediately. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.30 00:30:00 - [8] Quote: Carefull of what? Like i said: When your the first one to get killed, life's a ***** and move on? Btw i tested it 1 hr ago, we all ended up in the same spot. random? dont lie to me... When you go out to 0.0, sure you take risk... But atleast you should be able to fight back... Getting a lock before you get a visual or can turn on your modules doesnt contribute 1 thing in PvP. Fight like a warrior, dont hide behind game mechanisms. "You shot him in the back?!?" "His back was to me" -Anthony Edwards and Louis Gosset Jr. in El Diablo. Please stop with the romanticizing of combat. You can create all the illusions you want about how combat should take place. And the person that wins will be the one that guts you with a knife in a fistfight. And the bug you're encountering is the one that remembers the last place you visited in a solar system and returns you there. I've jumped with 3 people all at the same time in a gang. We ended up in 4 different locations. I've jumped with people travelling the exact same route I am in 0.0 space and we approach the gates from different directions because we landed at different jumpin points. The system is partially broken. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.30 01:34:00 - [9] Quote: Edited by: Intruders on 30/09/2003 01:30:31 ehh.. Quote: CCP is either planning something they think is slick but in reality is rather dumb (I've got my suspicions but really don't feel like kicking off the whining early without confirmation) or someone filled with stuffing and covered with fur is doing the thinking over there. You might mean deep core + refineries right? Posibilities are that it might be dumb..imagine the whinage from the n00bs. Not to mention that if you want to move freely you cant cause you have to have a refinery stuck up your arse to care on how you take it with ya. No...Given that allegedly that jumping is supposed to go gate to gate, how is that any improvement over the current situation? A chokepoint solar system only has 2 doors. Doesn't make it difficult to guess where people will enter the house if there are only 2 doors... So there has to be more to it or they don't change the current situation much at all. That should be enough to figure out the rest... I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.30 01:48:00 - [10] Quote: Edited by: Intruders on 30/09/2003 01:39:57 I agree but it would give the non campers an option, not to take chances..practically will take the ball (who hears the whining) out of their park(devs) and shoot it to the players. We get screwed anyway. So i dont worry ahh.. and if you mean jump-in points might have to do something with new ore distribution, I dont get it. I guess I might as well kick it off early and start the whine flowing (where's Technolisa with her Got Cheese catchphrase?). Problem: Currently jump in points are predictable, allowing people to camp them and catch people before they can activate any defenses. And often lag them. Solution offered: Change jump in points so the destination is the gate leading back to the departure point. Wait...that doesn't solve the original problem now does it? In fact what little randomness the current bug doesn't eliminate (because the entry point isn't 100% guaranteed all the time still) is completely eliminated. At best in a chokepoint system, you force the people waiting to split their forces between the 2 gates. Unless...unless...unless something is at the destination jump gate to make camping it unattractive. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.09.30 01:57:00 - [11] Quote: Quote: Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 29/09/2003 21:14:46 The first one to tell me in what languge "c.i.p.a" is a swear gets 50k! Polish vulgar slang for all parts comprising the female sexual organs ... can I say vagina :/? http://www.insultmonger.com/swearing/polish.htm - nice little resource when you're bored - now where's my isk :P So far on Google the only things that come up are acronyms. Children's Internet Protection Act (doubtful ) Chartered Institute of Patent Agents (who?!?) Canadian Information Productivity Awards (Blame Canada! Blame Canada!) California Independant Petroleum Association (maybe someone had flashbacks to the energy crisis?) International Committee for Architectural Photogrammetry (err...someone contact them and inform them it'd be ICAP) Convenzione Interbancaria per i Problemi dell'Automaz (my Italian is limited to Lasagna...lil help?) I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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